No. Real artists use models and pose books. They don't use lightboxes unless they're animators or inkers. However, if you put the original and copy together, it'll look like lightbox work.
Besides, that was Liefeld's only realistic character. He was routinely disparaged in his early solo work for having totally inconsistent characters with physically impossible physiques. As in, they'd collapse if they has such skinny ankles and waists. Of course he was pulling from a pose book.
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No, that's not true. Fine artists use lightboxes from time to time and commercial comics illustrators use them all the time. If they screw up a drawing during the penciling stage, they'll often lightbox their own work rather than re-drawing from scratch the parts that were already rendered correctly.No. Real artists use models and pose books. They don't use lightboxes unless they're animators or inkers.
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No. Penciller. A penciller can light box his own pencils. And, yes, an inker can go over the inks of a penciller using a lightbox because that's his job. But that's not what I was talking about.Crissa wrote:Great. Hence, 'inker'. The hat an artist uses changes.
It's okay to lightbox your own work. It's not okay to lightbox someone else's commercial illustrative work and sell it as your own. At best it's lazy and it's cheating and there are enough lazy cheaters in the creative industries. I don't understand why there's even a debate over this.Crissa wrote:You totally had to be right, and yet wrong, by saying it was horrible they were using them and then again that they do use them.
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I disagree with the idea that it is not OK to lightbox other peoples' work. Commercial or otherwise. There are amounts of differences and similarities you are allowed and not allowed to have before it is plagiarism. And it doesn't matter if you are skirting that line with a lightbox or even photo-collage. It matters only if you cross that line. And then it doesn't matter if you were freehanding it from memory. Too close is too close. Not too close is not too close. Methods are unimportant.Wesley Street wrote: It's okay to lightbox your own work. It's not okay to lightbox someone else's commercial illustrative work and sell it as your own. At best it's lazy and it's cheating and there are enough lazy cheaters in the creative industries. I don't understand why there's even a debate over this.
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Whatever your definition"real artist" you are working from here, I vehemently disagree with it.Crissa wrote:No. Real artists use models and pose books. They don't use lightboxes unless they're animators or inkers.
"But transportation issues are social-justice issues. The toll of bad transit policies and worse infrastructure—trains and buses that don’t run well and badly serve low-income neighborhoods, vehicular traffic that pollutes the environment and endangers the lives of cyclists and pedestrians—is borne disproportionately by black and brown communities."
I just got back from Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
I was expecting it to be goofy. Maybe even nerdy.
I wasn't expecting it to be unwatchable.
There's only a few good scenes (Often in the middle of a fight).
The rest, just isn't.
The best guy in the movie is the gay roommate.
Some of the music in the fights was okay.
It just dragged on -too much-.
Get the soundtrack. Wait for the fights to show up on YouTube.
Don't give your money to anyone who wants to sell the movie to you. Make a finger-X and say "Avaunt!"
I was expecting it to be goofy. Maybe even nerdy.
I wasn't expecting it to be unwatchable.
There's only a few good scenes (Often in the middle of a fight).
The rest, just isn't.
The best guy in the movie is the gay roommate.
Some of the music in the fights was okay.
It just dragged on -too much-.
Get the soundtrack. Wait for the fights to show up on YouTube.
Don't give your money to anyone who wants to sell the movie to you. Make a finger-X and say "Avaunt!"
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Qualifications?
Well, okay, I can do that.
The opening drags on for a -long- time. Some of the fights with the Seven Evil Exes aren't that cool (especially the first guy). There's some shout-outs to nerd-dom (one of the exes derives his powers from being a vegan).
But the characters aren't likeable (except for the gay roommate, he was a riot), and the plot just ain't there. This would be forgiveable if it was funny. It isn't. There's too many awkward conversations which are evidently supposed to be funny. The closest those get to funny is when the roommate covers for Scott while Scott's trying to flee a girl he wants to break up with.
However, some of the music for the fights fits.
Oh, and the ultimate villain falls flat. I know he's supposed to be a sleazebag, but he worked that too much and left out 'threatening'.
Well, okay, I can do that.
The opening drags on for a -long- time. Some of the fights with the Seven Evil Exes aren't that cool (especially the first guy). There's some shout-outs to nerd-dom (one of the exes derives his powers from being a vegan).
But the characters aren't likeable (except for the gay roommate, he was a riot), and the plot just ain't there. This would be forgiveable if it was funny. It isn't. There's too many awkward conversations which are evidently supposed to be funny. The closest those get to funny is when the roommate covers for Scott while Scott's trying to flee a girl he wants to break up with.
However, some of the music for the fights fits.
Oh, and the ultimate villain falls flat. I know he's supposed to be a sleazebag, but he worked that too much and left out 'threatening'.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
I think Maxus's definition of 'what is funny' does not match the movie's. It's less American Pie and more American Graffiti. The addition of graphic elements of style tell the story and are intended to entertain while the banality of the characters' lack of self awareness is supposed to move the plot along.
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Sounds like Iron Man 2.Crissa wrote:The addition of graphic elements of style tell the story and are intended to entertain while the banality of the characters' lack of self awareness is supposed to move the plot along.
I am starting to dislike IM2 more as time goes on.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
They really captured the comic then.Maxus wrote:The opening drags on for a -long- time. Some of the fights with the Seven Evil Exes aren't that cool (especially the first guy). There's some shout-outs to nerd-dom (one of the exes derives his powers from being a vegan).
But the characters aren't likeable (except for the gay roommate, he was a riot), and the plot just ain't there. This would be forgiveable if it was funny. It isn't. There's too many awkward conversations which are evidently supposed to be funny. The closest those get to funny is when the roommate covers for Scott while Scott's trying to flee a girl he wants to break up with.
I love referencial humor. I'm a mega-nerd. I could tell you why the dialogue was amusing. It just failed to do much for me, and for any of the people near me in the theater.
So, the good points:
-Some amazing special effects
-Some good fights
-Some good songs
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The bad points:
-The good points aren't nearly frequent enough
-Seeing socially awkward nerdy twenty-somethings stutter their way through two hours isn't my idea of a good time. And I -am- a socially awkward nerdy twenty-something.
-Scott Pilgrim's band kept playing that one song. It was okay. But change up the performances, guys!
-A lot of the fights are sort of 'lolrandom'.
-Most of the rest of the characters.
So, the good points:
-Some amazing special effects
-Some good fights
-Some good songs
-Wallace
The bad points:
-The good points aren't nearly frequent enough
-Seeing socially awkward nerdy twenty-somethings stutter their way through two hours isn't my idea of a good time. And I -am- a socially awkward nerdy twenty-something.
-Scott Pilgrim's band kept playing that one song. It was okay. But change up the performances, guys!
-A lot of the fights are sort of 'lolrandom'.
-Most of the rest of the characters.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Well, I think part of the point is that Scott's band is fucking terrible. And some of the lolrandom fights work, I think. Like the amp battle summoning dragons and a giant ape thing, or the Vegan Police.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
Those worked.Prak_Anima wrote:Well, I think part of the point is that Scott's band is fucking terrible. And some of the lolrandom fights work, I think. Like the amp battle summoning dragons and a giant ape thing, or the Vegan Police.
The Indian guy? No, he didn't.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
yeah, the Indian guy was shit. Though his succubi were some nice eye candy whenever the camera focused in his direction...
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
....Just took a look at the page on TV Tropes for Glenn Beck....and looking at "tropes he exemplifies"... he almost sounds like the real world equivalent of Spider Jerusalem's political and journalistic beliefs. Or like he's trying to be. *twitch*
dear god... this man is several things I admire about a fictional character... and he's right wing.
..I need to go drink until the world makes sense or I pass out. either one...
"Question with boldness, hold to the truth, and speak without fear,"
"It's enough to make blood SHOOT out of my eyes!" in response to an aggravating trend or situation.
"Hello, you sick, twisted freaks." His usual sign-on.
# Dude Not Funny: Mocking Obama's 11-year-old daughter was this for many people. Glenn himself apologized for it.
* At the height of his drug use in the 80's, he called the wife of rival radio host Bruce Kelly, and mocked her for having a miscarriage.
..I need to go drink until the world makes sense or I pass out. either one...
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Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
Side note, I finally found out how to describe Scott Pilgrim's shortcomings.
You know how Kung Fu Hustle is basically saved in the last thirty or forty minutes by the Beast? The movie doesn't have much of a plot, but it has some good characters and Ye Ultimate Fights, beginning with the Beast cutting a room in half with a kick, pulls it out? Partially because the whole thing has been scaling all along and that one kick is the most awesome thing you've seen so far?
Scott Pilgrim seems to try for that and fails. Some of the characters? Sure, they're cool. Scott isn't. The epic battle at the end fails to deliver a rockin' climax. The battles themselves are so lolrandom that...yes. Scott wins most of them through trickery and an 'I win' button. It falls a bit flat as a romantic movie, it isn't anything as a martial arts movie, and the music isn't good enough for it to be a saving grace.
You know how Kung Fu Hustle is basically saved in the last thirty or forty minutes by the Beast? The movie doesn't have much of a plot, but it has some good characters and Ye Ultimate Fights, beginning with the Beast cutting a room in half with a kick, pulls it out? Partially because the whole thing has been scaling all along and that one kick is the most awesome thing you've seen so far?
Scott Pilgrim seems to try for that and fails. Some of the characters? Sure, they're cool. Scott isn't. The epic battle at the end fails to deliver a rockin' climax. The battles themselves are so lolrandom that...yes. Scott wins most of them through trickery and an 'I win' button. It falls a bit flat as a romantic movie, it isn't anything as a martial arts movie, and the music isn't good enough for it to be a saving grace.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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yeah, Scott's pretty much Charlie Brown. Hell, you could look at his dating Knives as deliberate, though possibly subconscious, attempt to sabotage a new relationship, or at least the intimacy therein. Hell,
At no point did they really try to make him seem cool.
he didn't win the last fight until he gained "the Power of Self Confidence"
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
But he didn't come off as a particularly lovable, either.
You root for Charlie Brown. He deserves a break.
You root for Charlie Brown. He deserves a break.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
You do? I want to punt the little dumbass...Maxus wrote:You root for Charlie Brown. He deserves a break.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.